Pete Rose or the Steroid Issue in Baseball. Which do you think has done the most damage to MLB?
Question:Pete Rose: Back in the 1980's, Pete Rose agreed to a permanent ineligibility from baseball amidst accusations that he gambled on baseball games while playing for and managing the Reds; some accusations claimed that he bet on, and even against, the Reds.
Steroid abuse in MLB: Baseball players and owners have put in place a tougher policy against performance-enhancing drugs following increased attention created by a federal grand jury investigation into illegal steroid distribution.
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Great question.I would have to say steroids though. The use of "performance-enhancing" drugs does cause alot of skepticism in record holdings and player stats. It has created chaos across the boards. What Pete did was wrong but I think the guy deserves a break after all these years. It really is a shame they will not put him in Cooperstown...he was an awesome player/manager.Steroid issue because of Bonds and his homers. He will break the record in the next 2 weeks and everyone will blame it on the drugs.
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Steroids..Rose did little, if anything to tarnish the game, but steroids are threatening to destroy the history of the game ie...Barry BondsWhat are the Top Ten Baseball Towns?
Performance enhancing drugs in general. Pete Rose is just one guy. Drugs are a systemic problemWhat ever happen to Chris Sabo?
Pete Rose betting on his own team while he was the manager. He could control the outcome of games that he wagered on. It does not get any worse than that.Steroids is self inflicting.
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Steroids. Rose only hurt himself.history lesson: Pete Rose bet on all the Reds games...and he picked them to win EACH AND EVERY TIME...so he didn't impact the game. He only hurt himself.
The steroids issues has cause all fans to doubt everyone's homers. If anyone hits a lot of HRs, they are doubted.
STEROIDS are the bigger issue...easily.
Steroids in baseball stopped me from ever attending another game.
The higher ups at MLB KNEW about Palmiero's positive test, and said nothing because he was approaching a record.
Bonds will break Aaron's HR record, but shouldn't even be playing due to his alleged Steroid use.
The fact that MLB consistently turns a blind eye towards steroids and the damage they have done to the game guarantees that this period in baseball history will forever be tainted as the Steroid years.
Sosa + McGuire saved baseball with the HR chase after the strike- it finally bought the eyeballs back to the parks.
But now, it seems they knew about those guys as well.
Bud Selig has done far more damage than Pete Rose ever did.
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By far the steroid issue is worse and has done the most damage to MLB. Everyone I know thinks Rose should be in the Hall of Fame and what he did was not that bad, it was wrong but not that bad. Steroids have ruined a lot of people image of the game and it is about to ruin a great record. I think that MLB is hiding a positive test by Bonds out of fear of the outrage it would cause if it became public. Steroids are a major black eye for MLB because it has tainted the numbers and MLB has been so lazy in making he rules tougher and fought against harsher punishments. I think steroids are forever going to taint the HR numbers and how people look at anyone who is having a great career and has a high number of HRs.Any body heard of ed armbrister a reds outfielder in the 70s?
Rose betting for sure. He is no longer an issue as far as baseball is concerned. Bud Selig has sealed that man's fate as far as the hall is concerned. What Pete did was unforgivable to the game of baseball.Guys that use steroid are suspended yet they can still play the game.
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At this point I'd say it's the steroids, because it has tainted the game. Anytime a player does anything great now, there's the immediate question of whether or not they're using illegal substances. When Ryan Howard won the home run title last season, there were several national columns wondering about whether he used steroids, and the same issue comes up all the time on message boards and baseball forums. It's difficult for a player now to do anything without being questioned or doubted. And while Rose was the only high-profile bettor at the time, everyone knows that there are a lot of juicers.What Rose did was horrible, and he deserves the lifetime ban. The difference is that baseball didn't become infected with gamblers, and Rose's actions didn't cause everyone to question the outcome of those games.
Finally, there was a sense of closure to the Rose issue when Giamatti came down firmly and banned him. That same closure doesn't exist with the steroids issue, because baseball has been so weak when it comes to laying down punishments. It took them several years to even agree to tests, and they dragged their feet on instituting something that even comes close to the level of scrutiny used by the Olympics for their testing.
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Steroid use has done the most damage. It tells upcoming athletes that's its OK to enhance your performance illegally and not the natural way. They get paid millions and millions to fake play. Its no fun when you know a drug is to blame for there great home run record or longevity.Shame really!!
The steroid issue has tarnished the game far worse than Pete Rose could ever tarnish it. Steroids have proven to be more widespread than Pete's gambling issues. By the way, Pete never bet against the Reds.always for them.
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I feel that the Steroids abuse is worst then Betting on Baseball. The Steroids Help you play better, so, that is not fare. Any records broken by players that have been, or is using Steroids, SHOULD not stand. Back when the records where made, it was the player who did that, not a player on Steroids. So, Barry Bonds, and Mark Mc. they should not have the records.Thank You
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Steroids. Hands down. A lot of the younger generation, unless they are serious students of the game, don't even know who Charlie Hustle is (sad). Steroids have irreparable harmed the game, and one can only hope baseball can move on from this.
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Are you kidding? Rose by far. He could fix games in some ways as the manger. He is banned from the game forever and rightfully so.As for steroids in MLB the punishment is still soft.
Your 1st offense is a slap on the hand.
Your 2nd offense is a 30 day suspension.
Your 3rd offense is a 60 day suspension.
Your 4th offense is a 1 year suspension.
Even after getting busted 4 times you can still play the game.
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I'd say neither has actually damaged the game in reality. The Black Sox almost sank the game before it got going, which the only thing to do since was the strikes. But as far as tarnishing the image, I'd say roids simply b/c now whether you are ok with roids or against it, the argument still comes down to that you can't trust ANY player now, i.e. the whole sport suffers, whereas w/ Rose though he is a low life and a scoundrel and deserves his ban, the only image that was hurt was his own. Especially since Bart was so tough on Rose, unlike Selig is being w/ roids.Oh, and for the record, Rose originally said he never bet, then said he did but never on a Reds game, then that he did bet on Reds games, but never that they'd lose, so I don't believe we've heard the whole truth just yet. But currently I believe the story goes he only bet on them when he bet on them to win, but also didn't bet every night, thus effectively telling bookies not to give good odds on the Reds on nights Pete didn't bet on the Reds.
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steroids I put it like this baseball is barry bond's job and he's cheating on his job it's just the same for any other job like taking photos or anything if you say that you've taken them but you have'nt.Who's Hotter Sox fans OR Cubs fans?
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ROSE ROSE ROSE! That man is baseball's biggest disappointment ever. He simply dishonored himself and the game of baseball.They don't ban people over accusations. There was proof and Pete was busted red handed.
People have been using steroids for years and no one complained until now. Give a break.
If baseball was so gung-ho against the use of steroids then they would ban any player that tested positive instead of giving you "4" suspensions. HA! what a joke.
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Steroids by a mile... and since all of the steroid users will eventually get into the hall so should Pete.Why can't I like the Mets and the Yankees? Am I the only one that does?
Apparently neither as attendence and passion for the game continue. If the fans and all other onlookers of this professional sport support it then it will continue to go on and on and on. Until support for this is withdrawn it will continue.Pete Rose only hurt himself not baseball or the image of baseball and should be in the Hall of Fame. In fact him not being in the Hall of Fame is a bigger blight on baseball than he ever will be.
The steroid issue is far worse for baseball, more far reaching and in fact game altering.
Neither. I think the unequal revenue structure of the game is destroying the game. Because my Kansas City royals can not affort even 1 top of the line pitcher, and we continue to lose our "johnny Dameon's" to other teams, I consider MLB baseball to be in the same league as professional wrestling and I have quit attending games.
idiots and rule pushers will always be around. The fact that the playing field is not level will eventually destroy the game..
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The steroids issue has had more impact because it has involved more players. Had players, in addition to Rose, bet on baseball, then it may have had a much great impact than steroids. Betting makes everyone question the outcome of every game. Betting could cause significant doubts about whether players are actually playing to win.BTW, the fact that Rose claims he always bet on the Reds to win makes no difference. Every contract he signed had a clause and every clubhouse has a sign about not betting on baseball. Rose bet knowing that he was breaking the rules.
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Niether, Bonds will hit 55 this year and shut everybody up the only thing people care about in the Pete Rose deal is how come he isnt in the hall of fame with all the best players in history.Baseball always has something that threatens to tarnish the game because at the end of the day the game is seen through the eyes of the media whos sole job is to make things look as bad as possible.
Steroids, greenies, gambling, fighting, drugs, baseballs wound tighter, ballparks smaller, pitchings diluted. the media builds everything up just to tear it down.
There is nothing wrong with baseball and there never will be, unless some mad scientist builds a robot that can hit a ball 9000 feet and passes him off as Mark Mcgwire Jr.
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Personally, I think it's the over-inflated salaries.Families with kids only have so much disposible income, and it costs like $200. to bring mom, dad, and 2 kids to a ballgame--if not more! Then you hear players complaining about thier pay or demanding outrageous salaries. It makes you not even want to go to a game.
If they can get their organizations to pay them millions, they shoud go and get what they can. But...they also shouldn't be surprised when the fans stop paying them attention or going to games.
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Bottom Line: Rose as a player should be in the Hall. He did not have the issues as a player. How can Charlie Hustle not be in the Hall. It's complete BS. The betting took place as Manager---not a player! So he's a jackass for lying and telling stories. We judge hall of fame major league baseball players by what they do on the field, and how they conduct theirselves during the playing years if there was reason to question eligibility.
Steroids took a huge toll, but baseball and its rule makers have no-one to blame but themselves. They knew of it in the early 80's and chose to turn their respective heads. the problem only grew, and now look... They blame Barry. Everyone forgets Barry was great in Pittsburgh. They called him the new and improved version of Willie Mays, bigger, faster, and stronger. They never thought he'd chase Hank. The baseball gods are pissed, and they will do everything to push the blame on a small group of roiders...
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pete rose and drugs are part of baseballs history, if you look back, pitchers used spitballs! used vaseline, players took Uppers(form of speed) to enhance themselves, pitchers have always been busted on doctoring the ball, i feel Pete should be in the hall of fame! he never bet againest his team EVER.. where u read that is bogus. as for steroid use, its probably been rampant for 10 plus years, Barry Bonds, contrary to bigots and racists has never admitted use, never been proven and enjoy him while we still have him! goodluck and great questionMore Questions & Answers...